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Senate
Judiciary Committee Reports Reports
provided by PA Legislative Services Report
prepared by PLS for PFSC: The
Senate Judiciary Committee held a public hearing on urban violence. Members
in attendance included Chairman Stewart Greenleaf (R-Montgomery) and Senators
John Gordner (R-Columbia), Jane Earll
(R-Erie), Mike Stack (D-Philadelphia), LeAnna
Washington (D-Philadelphia), Michael O'Pake
(D-Berks) and Jay Costa (D-Allegheny). Chairman Greenleaf remarked this is the fourth and final hearing the
Committee has held on this issue in recent months and these hearings have
revealed that "there is a growing concern for public safety as a
hardened culture of drugs, drug money and guns…appears to be taking
hold." He stated the Committee has received several solutions from
testifiers, and is open to hearing all ideas. Opening Remarks of Senator Stewart
J. Greenleaf On behalf of the Senate Judiciary
Committee, I welcome you to the fourth and final public hearing that the committee
has conducted over the last few months on the subject of urban violence. After hearings in Philadelphia,
Pittsburgh, and Altoona, we have learned that in small cities, as well as in
large, there is a growing concern for public safety as a hardened culture of
drugs, drug money, and guns-sometimes exacerbated by drug pushers from
outside the state--appears to be taking hold. Unfortunately, new recruits to
this menacing culture come from the vulnerable population of children without
guidance and without a vision of a better way. Many of these young people end
up as statistics in growing city homicide rates. Even more troubling are the
deaths of the innocent bystanders when drive-bys occur or when shooting
breaks out between rivals on the street. This committee has been offered
many solutions from witnesses. These range from stricter gun control measures
to more police patrols, and from stronger social
programs to stronger incarceration policies to keep repeat violent offenders
off the streets. For almost every proposed solution, it seems that there has
been a counter solution, but this committee is open to hearing from all
witnesses willing to offer their ideas. And so, we will begin today's hearing
by calling on our first witness. Captain Bret Waggoner, Director, Special Investigations
Division, Bureau of Criminal Investigations, PA State Police, started by
saying that gang activities have a detrimental affect on Chairman
Greenleaf asked how to stop "straw purchasers". Waggoner responded
by saying that a good first step would be to make the penalty for committing
this crime much more harsh and the penalty for not reporting a gun stolen or
lost immediately harsher also. Senator
O'Pake then asked if the State Police interact with
local police departments when they work with each other. Senator O'Pake also asked if adding the extra state troopers has
any impact because it seems like so little. Waggoner responded saying that
they do work well together and that using this task force in one region at a
time is a good start. Senator
O'Pake then asked what the State Police could do
with more funding. Waggoner said they could use the funding to help curb the
straw purchases in PA. Senator
Senator
Gordner asked how many convictions of straw
purchasers the Commonwealth has had in recent years. Waggoner said that he
did not know, but that he will get that information and respond to the
committee. Catherine McVey, Chairman, PA Board of Probation
and Parole (PCCD), stated the objective of the probation and parole process
is to reduce recidivism, which in turn "reduces violence and increases
public safety". She explained the process PCCD utilizes in making parole
decisions, noting it has several decision points critical to public safety
and considers the offender's individual characteristics, needs and risks
relative to the progress made while incarcerated. McVey stated research
indicates that "resources should target stringent conditions of parole
and links to community interventions on higher risk offenders." She
added that parole revocations are reserved for those offenders who are a
threat to the community, as prematurely revoking parole results in the
reduced likelihood of successful community reintegration. McVey also
discussed PCCD's involvement in various urban
projects designed to address violence and that PCCD shares intelligence with
several law enforcement agencies, including the FBI and Senator
Gordner remarked that we put statutes on the books,
but they always seem to get plea-bargained away. Chairman Greenleaf then
asked about the policy if parolees get caught with a weapon. McVey said that
their number one rule is no weapons. She continued to say that if a parolee
is caught with a weapon, he is immediately sent to prison. Senator
Gordner asked if there were any specific statistics
that show the relationship of a person charged with a firearm offense, who is on parole, and gets caught with a weapon and is sent
back to jail. McVey said that the rough estimate is 50% of persons who are
charged with a weapons violation are returned to jail due to another weapons
violation. Senator
Earll asked if people who are convicted of violent
crimes are treated differently than those who do not when on parole. McVey
responded saying that they are scrutinized more than parolees who are not
convicted of violent offenses. Senator
Gordner asked if there are programs in place to
help local police. McVey said there are programs in place to help local law
enforcement track persons on parole and probation more effectively. Senator
Costa remarked that in Allegheny County there have been discussions about
reforming the court system and making cases involving parole and probation be
heard by a magistrate. McVey remarked that doing that does not make any
sense. Lt. Mark Talbot, Vice and Criminal Investigations Unit, City of Reading
Police Department, commented that there are far too many officers losing
their lives. He talked about a fellow Reading Police officer, Scott A. Wertz,
who was shot and killed in the line of duty in August 2006. Talbot noted that
the violence in Senator
O'Pake asked if the alleged shooter in the murder
of Officer Wertz was on parole. Talbot said yes. Senator O'Pake
asked what percentage of people who commit these types of crime are on
parole. Talbot said 75-80%. Senator O'Pake asked
what percentage is on parole for a previous firearm conviction. Talbot said
60-65%. Senator O'Pake asked what can be done to
combat this type of incident from occurring. Talbot said the only way is to
have more police officers on duty. Senator O'Pake
inquired if there is a need for police officers in schools due to the young
age of some of the offenders. Talbot said yes. Chairman
Greenleaf asked what the relationship is between guns and drugs in Senator
Costa asked what Talbot would suggest to slow the flood of guns onto the
streets. Talbot suggested that the investigators should focus more on the
people who buy the guns, the girlfriends and the families and then prosecute
more severely. Senator Costa inquired if another document that is signed
during the purchase of a gun would make this tracking easier and if he
supports prosecuting people more severely who do not report their guns stolen
immediately. Talbot said yes to both. Mark Koch, President, Fraternal Order of Police (FOP), State Lodge,
argued that law enforcement officers should be provided with appropriate
manpower, resources, tools, equipment and training to meet the challenges
they face. "For James Malloy, President, FOP Fort Pitt Lodge #1,
stated urban violence in · Hire more police officers · Create a state organized
witness protecting program · Get the community involved
through their clergy and senior citizen groups and gets their prospective on
how to overcome the violence in their communities · Support neighborhood youth
activity groups · Involve the State Police Drug
Task Force with local police departments in dealing with drug problems · Provide funds to police
agencies fighting the organized drug problems in the neighborhood Robert Eddis, President, FOP Philadelphia Lodge
#5, made the following recommendations: · Maximum sentencing for straw
purchase buyers and sellers · Penalties and gun forfeitures
if the legal owners of weapons fail to report lost or missing guns · Ensure that liaisons and
representatives of all involved agencies are coordinating their efforts
through a joint state and federal task force · Provide the officers on the
streets the necessary equipment to fight the everyday battles · Track the arrest of everyone
in violation of any gun legislation by forming a database · Place the same priorities on guns
as those that are now being placed on drugs · Set mandatory sentencing
requirements on any and all violations of weapons in the performance of any
crime · Ensure that educational
programs and public service announcements are mandated and implemented · Require that the person who
owns a gun must be educated to the laws of violations as well as the
application of safety Chairman
Greenleaf asked Malloy about the cause of the lack of officers. Malloy
responded saying that Act 47 limits the City of Chairman
Greenleaf remarked that the Fraternal Order of Police should present to the
committee how many officers are needed statewide. He then asked the FOP's thoughts on state task forces in areas of exceptionally
high violence. Eddis responded by saying that the
task forces worked well in Philadelphia but they also need the additional
officers to stay on the street after the task force is done. Koch remarked
that he would be happy to work with the committee to coordinate anything that
would help curb the violence. Chairman Greenleaf asked Koch what he thinks
about the task force idea. Koch responded that he thinks it is a very good
idea but training is also needed so that the officers know how to protect themselves.
Eddis added that the city of Senator
Costa remarked that in the surrounding areas of Senator
Costa asked where the system is breaking down, specifically inquiring how
straw purchasers are allowed to go unnoticed. Eddis
said gun ownership comes with responsibility. Senator Costa asked what
happens to the majority of people who say they lost their gun. Eddis said they have to take their word for it but
legislation should be made saying that there is no plea bargaining for
persons known to be straw purchasers. Malloy remarked that a way to tell if a
person is a straw purchaser is to have them bring in all the guns that are
registered to their name, if only one is missing then obviously they are not
a straw purchaser, but if they have 100 missing that should raise a few
questions. Senator Costa remarked that is an interesting theory. Koch
then commented that we need officers with specific training and equipment,
which they have neither of currently. He said we need to take a stand against
the assault on police officers. Edward Marsico, Jr., District Attorney, Senator
Costa thanked Marsico for his suggestions and asked
if there are many occurrences of criminals having a record as minor. Marsico said yes there are, adding that his was very
shocked to find out that even though they cannot be charged as repeat
offenders their juvenile record can be used in sentencing. Senator
Costa asked if straw purchasers should be prosecuted in a federal court. Marsico said the main concern when a violent crime occurs
is the user of the gun, not who bought the gun, so the person who bought the
gun is almost always put on the back burner. He noted that in John Hohenwarter, State Liaison, National Rifle Association was next to
testify. He started by saying the NRA stands opposed to any legislation such
as the one-gun-a-month or waiting periods. He commented that they are however
opposed to any felons carrying guns. He said zero-tolerance should be used
for criminals why carry guns, use guns or get caught with guns and drugs. He
stated every criminal with a gun should go to jail, no discussion or appeals.
Hohenwarter said studies have shown that if there is mandatory jail time for
a person committing a crime while having a gun in their possession they tend
to not carry the gun for fear of more jail time if caught. He concluded that
the made for TV government that manufactures laws and does not enforce them
gives criminals the idea that they will not get caught. Chairman
Greenleaf asked Hohenwarter's opinion of straw
purchasers and how they should be punished. Hohenwarter responded that PA
already has some the toughest laws, it is already a felony. He said the
individual, if convicted of straw purchasing, is liable for any civil damages
that a judge may award. Hohenwarter questioned if these laws are being
enforced or if they are just on the books. He remarked that there are plenty
of tools to help the ATF and the local authorities to catch these criminals.
He went on to say that if the ATF knows when someone is buying more than one
every five days, they should investigate them every time. Chairman Greenleaf
asked what if the ATF runs into a person who buys and sells a lot of guns but
is not a straw purchaser. Hohenwarter said there are tools to be used to do a
thorough investigation. Chairman Greenleaf asked if Hohenwarter could send
them a copy of the NRA's zero-tolerance proposal. Hohenwarter said that we
would send it to the committee. Senator
Stack asked about straw purchasing statistics in Barbara Montgomery, President, PA Million Mom
Chapters of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, stated the Brady
Campaign wants to create an Senator
Stack then commented that Lou's Loan sold guns in Melody Zullinger, Executive Director, PA Federation
of Sportsmen's Clubs (PFSC), stated PFSC has "adamant opposition to any
new laws that would add unnecessary restrictions to the 2nd Amendment rights
of law-abiding citizens." She opined that legislation limiting the
purchase of guns will be ineffective because criminals do not acquire their
guns legally and suggested that the Committee focus on legislation to"prosecute the criminals relentlessly, and to
impose tough sentences with no time off or good behavior." She stated
those states that have one handgun a month rules have not experienced an end
to the black market of guns or straw purchases of guns. Zullinger also argued
that stronger preemption laws are needed and requiring the reporting of lost of
stolen guns will lead to straw purchasers reporting the gun as stolen when
they actually sold it to a person ineligible to purchase a gun himself. She
stated an assault weapons ban is unnecessary, as these weapons account for
few than 1% of crimes involving a firearm. Zullinger concluded by reiterating
the importance of incarcerating those who break the law and not simply
punishing law-abiding citizens. Chairman
Greenleaf asked how many guns the average gun owner buys per year. Zullinger
said they would buy as many as possible if they could but it is far too
expensive. She said most do not buy more than one a month, excluding
collectors. She commented that it is the principle of being limited that she
opposes. Phoebe Sheftel, Presbytery of Alan Krug, PhD, urged the members to pay attention to the cost/benefit
analysis of any proposal considered. He suggested that gun control
legislation is ineffective, especially without resources to prosecute
violators. Regarding whether PA should trade its instant check system in
favor of the Federal system, Dr. Krug stated the federal system was
inadequate at the time PA adopted its own system, but it costs more to
operate a separate state system and overtime the federal system has improved.
He stated, "If we went to the federal system, we would save a ton of
money. In terms of cost effectiveness, we should probably do it. But we would
not want to make such a move it if mean abandoning all the checks that our
system provides". Dr. Krug also discussed one gun a month laws, noting
that Steve Blackburn, President, Ex-Offenders of Community Empowerment, stated
previous attempts to curb violence have failed and urged the Committee to
consider proposals to attack the roots of violence by removing guns from the
hands of criminals. As a former offender, he stated he knows that removing
guns from criminals will dilute the elements that go into committing a
crime-will, ability, and opportunity. Wayne Jacobs, Co-Founder of Ex-Offenders of Community Empowerment, reiterated Ann Satterthwaite testified on behalf of the
Pennsylvania Prison Society. She stated "a yearlong examination of the
inner workings of the penal facilities by the Commission on Safety and Abuse
in Chairman
Greenleaf commented on Satterthwaite's interesting
perspective, remarking that current laws aren't making a log of progress. He
conceded that Satterthwaite's recommendations are
needed in addition to strong law enforcement. Larry Frankel, Legislative Director of the American Civil Liberties Union
of PA, cited Rod Cusumano, Director, PA Rifle and Pistol
Association, noted that the PA Constitution states the right to bear arms
shall not be questioned. He argued that studies indicate gun control disarms
law abiding citizens more than criminals, stating that states with concealed
handgun laws have had a drop in gun violence. He said criminals become
emboldened with increased gun control. Cusumano
cited recent terror incidents and stated now is not the time to restrict
one's license to carry a firearm, as restrictions will aid criminals and
increase crime. He recommended that law enforcement be given the means to
enforce the law and prosecute criminals. Joel Cody, Spokesperson, Philadelphia Guardian Angels, said nearly 300
individuals have died in · All gun owners must have
liability insurance and maintain that policy · All owners to undergo
psychological evaluation · All firearms must be inspected
annually to ensure they are in proper working order · Any stolen or lost firearm
must be reported to the police and insurance company Cody
commented that revenue from insurance premiums on guns could be used to fund
outreach. Chairman
Greenleaf asked about Guardian Angels coming to The
Committee also received written testimony from Tom Knox, of Knox for Philly, and Lake Research Partners. Brian
Hinkle, PLS Intern, and Kimberly Hess Senate Conducts Hearings on
Violence For Immediate Release
Senate Judiciary Committee Sets
Violence Hearing in HARRISBURG -- A public hearing on urban violence will be conducted by the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday, August 2, 2006, in City Council Chambers of Philadelphia City Hall, beginning at 9 a.m., according to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Senator Stewart J. Greenleaf. Witnesses to date include Philadelphia Police Commissioner Sylvester Johnson; Lawrence W. Sherman, Director of the University of Pennsylvania’s Jerry Lee Center of Criminology; Bilal Qayyum; Co-Chair, Men United for a Better Philadelphia; Shelly Yanoff, Executive Director of Philadelphia Citizens for Children and Youth; Diane Edbril, Executive Director of CeaseFirePA; Robert A. Ricker, Executive Director of American Hunters and Shooters Association; John Towarnicki, President, Philadelphia Federation of Sportsmen’s Club; Jon S. Mirowitz, Esq., representing the United Sportsmen of Pennsylvania and the Pennsylvania State Fish and Game Protective Association; Greg Isabella, Operations Manager and Vice President, Firing Line Inc.; and Shirley Boggs, Mothers United in Tragedy.
Witnesses will testify on the issue of urban violence and legislation proposing the limitation of gun purchases in Philadelphia. The hearing was prompted by concerns about the burgeoning homicide rate in Philadelphia and other urban areas. With about 220 murders in Philadelphia so far this year, according to news reports, the city is on track to outpace its 380 homicides in 2005. Sen. Greenleaf said that the Senate Judiciary Committee will continue with public hearings on urban violence in the cities of Pittsburgh, Altoona, and Harrisburg this summer and early fall. *************************** Senator
Stewart J. Greenleaf: Senate Judiciary Committee Sets Violence Hearing in Philadelphia http://www.pasenategop.com/news/archived/2006/0706/greenleaf-072706-violence.htm A public hearing on urban violence was conducted by the
Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday, August 2, 2006, in City Council
Chambers of Philadelphia City Hall, beginning at 9 a.m., according to Senate
Judiciary Committee Chairman Senator Stewart J. Greenleaf.
Witnesses testified on the issue of urban violence and
legislation proposing the limitation of gun purchases in Philadelphia. The
hearing was prompted by concerns about the burgeoning homicide rate in Philadelphia
and other urban areas. With about 220 murders in Philadelphia so far this
year, according to news reports, the city is on track to outpace its 380
homicides in 2005. Sen. Greenleaf said that the Senate Judiciary Committee will
continue with public hearings on urban violence in the cities of Pittsburgh, Altoona,
and Harrisburg this summer and early fall. 6-27-06 Senate Judiciary HARRISBURG
- (06/27/06, 11:30 a.m., Room 8E-B, East Wing) The
Senate Judiciary Committee met to consider six bills and consider one
confirmation. SB 1241 Washington - (PN 1864) Amends Title 18 (Crimes and Offenses) by
adding that an individual may not purchase more than one handgun in cities of
the first class (Philadelphia) within any 30-day period. The bill provides
for exceptions. Sellers would notify each prospective purchaser of the
prohibition and would request the State Police to conduct a handgun purchase
history check. Additionally, the Violence Prevention Fund is established,
from which funds would be appropriated to the Commission on Crime and
Delinquency solely for purposes of violence prevention and youth violence
prevention. All fines collected for violations would be deposited in the
fund. The act expires after seven years. - The bill was tabled. A08489 by Senator Greenleaf was distributed but not discussed. Chairman
Greenleaf recognized Senator LeAnna Washington
(D-Philadelphia) the prime sponsor of the bill to address the Committee.
Senator Washington stated she introduced the legislation to try and halt the
slaughter in Philadelphia by attempting to slow down the illegal trafficking
of firearms. She stressed that she continues to support SB 1002, which would
limit a person to the purchase of one handgun a month across the entire state
and is similar to laws recently enacted in Virginia and Maryland. Senator Washington
stated that while SB 1241 has the support of the Philadelphia Senate
delegation, gun control groups are against it because they do not feel it
goes far enough, while gun rights groups are against it because they feel it
is too restrictive. Senator Washington then asked the Committee to table the
bill and called for statewide hearings this summer to discuss the issue
further. Chairman
Greenleaf announced that he just received a letter from Cease Fire of
Philadelphia in support of the legislation but asking for more hearings on
the issue. He also said that Senator Robert Jubelirer
(R-Blair) had requested hearings as well. Chairman Greenleaf then stated he
had intended to hold hearings this summer on combating violence in cities
anyway and would include this topic as a part of those hearings. He suggested
that perhaps a comprehensive legislative package is necessary to combat
violence in all of PA's cities. Senator
White informed the Chairman that the University of Pennsylvania is about to
conduct research on this very topic. The Chairman expressed his wish to
include representatives from the community, religious sector and police for
these hearings. Minority
Chairman Jay Costa (D-Allegheny) thanked Senator Washington for her efforts
and requested that one of the upcoming hearings be located in Pittsburgh. HB 1944 Dally - (PN 4037) Amends Titles 18 (Crimes and Offenses) and 42 (Judiciary)
providing for a Statewide registry of protective orders; further providing
for protective orders, for notice on protective orders and for violation of
orders; providing for civil protective orders; and making editorial changes.
(Prior Printer Number: 2689) - The bill was unanimously reported as
committed. Senator
Jeffrey Piccola (R-Dauphin) asked for an
explanation of what constitutes a civil protective order. Senator White
offered her belief that the intent of the bill is to protect judges, their
staff and witnesses from harassment. Eric
A. Failing, PLS 2/14/06 The
Senate Judiciary Committee met to consider several bills. SB
773 Greenleaf
- (PN 952) Amends Title 18 (Crimes and Offenses) by adding that a person who
transmits or receives interstate or intrastate simulcasting
of a greyhound race for commercial purposes in PA commits a first degree
misdemeanor. - The bill was unanimously reported as committed. SB
866 Stack
- (PN 1124) Amends Title 18 (Crimes and Offenses) further providing for
firearm licenses by stating that a license to carry a firearm that is held by
a member of the U.S. Armed Forces or the PA National Guard on Federal active
duty and deployed overseas which is scheduled to expire during the period of
deployment would be extended until 90 days after the end of the deployment.
Also, the possession of a license, together with a copy of the person's
military orders showing the dates of overseas deployment would constitute a
defense to any charge filed pursuant to section 6106 (relating to firearms
not to be carried without a license) or 6108 (relating to carrying firearms
on public streets or public property in Philadelphia). - The bill was
unanimously reported as committed. Senator
Stack noted the legislation models Kentucky law. |